Riddle me this …

Rich Lord wrote an article in the PG outlining a little squabble that occurred between the offices of Lukey and Bill Peduto over an application for some federal preservation grant moolah.

Bill Peduto’s office filled out the application and sent it to Lukey’s office for signature  because he is the “governing official” (snicker), and Billy’s name was listed as the “Applicant.”

Lukey sent the paperwork back to Bill’s office saying that the paperwork was filled out incorrectly and ordered them to change the “applicant” to “Luke Ravenstahl”.

Long story short, this resulted in delays and the paperwork was overnighted to arrive in DC on the due date.

The article makes Bill Peduto look like a saint and makes Lukey look like a schmuck.


1.  The article makes it seem like if the document didn’t arrive in DC by September 1, the Burgh would have lost any chance of approval as a Preserve America community.  That is bullshit because if you read here, you’ll see there is another deadline of December 1 as well.  There are four deadlines per year and you can submit for any one of them.

2.  The application clearly states above the “Applicant” field that:

Application for designation can only be submitted by one of the following:
· Mayor or equivalent elected governing official of an incorporated community; or
· County executive or equivalent elected governing official of a county or of the appropriate jurisdiction of an unincorporated community

That sounds to me like it needs to be the Mayor’s name because city councilman is NOT the equivalent to the Mayor.

It then states near the end that it needs

The elected governing official of the community must sign and date this form.

Bill says it was all politics:

Mr. Peduto said his office promptly complied, though he viewed the request as “unfortunate. I think there’s a time for politics, and this was not one of them.”

Actually, it appears that this wasn’t politics at all on Lukey’s part, but that … holy shit, LUKEY WAS RIGHT!  If anyone is playing politics, it appears to be Peduto holding the dodge ball.

Finally and MOST importantly:


Grow up, Grant Street.  Grow the hell up.


  1. mattb
    September 7, 2007 12:24 am

    I called Rich about this. You see, I have been waiting for so long for my boy toy to do something right I could stand the pleasure no longer. So there you go, I am the guilty party that pointed out the one correct thing the mayor did this year.

  2. Matt H
    September 7, 2007 12:47 am

    Good points and good research.

    It’s unfortunate that the published story is incorrect. It seems as if the 9-1-07 deadline would have had a chance to have been missed but clearly the 12-1-07 deadline would have been met. There was no need for this to be in the paper.

    I like Bill Peduto a lot but ht is wrong on this one.

  3. Bram R
    September 7, 2007 1:33 am

    Ah, Matty boy. It’s not about the deadline, nor about the definition of “applicant.” It’s about who gets to sign their NAME and take CREDIT and go SHAKE HANDS in front of CAMERAS. Lukey just said, “If it happens in Pittsburgh, I did it and you didn’t.”

    Still, none of this countervails the proposition that Grant Street should grow the hell up.

  4. Maria in Pgh
    September 7, 2007 4:43 am

    From the application:


    Items 3 & 7: The application must be signed and submitted by the chief elected governing official of the jurisdiction. In most cases, this will mean a mayor, county executive, or chair of a Board of Supervisors. If someone else is designated to do this, there should be a clear authorization for this delegation included in the submission package.
    [Emphasis added]

    You think maybe the person who did all the work on the submission, who got council to “• The governing body of the community has adopted a resolution indicating its commitment to the preservation of its heritage assets.” (as also mentioned is needed in the form), who was the point man on this was maybe considered the “someone else” “designated to do this”?

  5. Mark Rauterkus
    September 7, 2007 7:36 am

    What about Bernie Lynch of Mt. Washington. She had been hired by Mayor Bob O’Connor and had the duty of getting grant money for the city. She is needed — but — isn’t working for the city any longer.

    When you clean house — you shouldn’t use explosives. That’s LUKE’s standard mode of operation — and now it is Pittsburgh’s problem.

  6. Woy
    September 7, 2007 7:57 am

    Hah! Nice.

    This story is an example of why I don’t write about, nor get involved in politics or government. That and my school board race of 1993.

    If there were any doubts that PittGirl and I are different people, this post should erase them.

  7. Ed Heath
    September 7, 2007 8:11 am

    So this guy Stephen Paul, he maybe approached Peduto about this? Sounds like he should have approached the Mayor, or Peduto should have sent him to the Mayor’s office. Even then, it sounds like both sides were playing politics and trying to exploit whatever publicity they could out of this. For example, the Perserve America website says applications *should* be mailed overnight, because the Post Office has taken to irradiating packages, and that might destroy … uh … something in the Perserve America application (are you supposed to send a live pigeon with the application?). Of course, once the Mayor had signed the corrected application, couldn’t his office have sent the thing?

  8. TheTruth
    September 7, 2007 8:45 am

    The application must be signed and submitted by the chief elected governing official of the jurisdiction.

    Actually, if they want to get technical about it, Luke wasn’t elected – so maybe he shouldn’t be the one signing it either.

  9. parking chair
    September 7, 2007 10:03 am

    Thanks a lot, PittGirl. How are we supposed to make fun of the mayor when you get all factual and shit?

    Oh, wait – the hair line! And the celebrity worshipping! And the moving forward!

    Never mind, there’s still plenty to mock!

  10. Smittyfromtheflats
    September 7, 2007 11:37 am

    This territoriality exhibited by Opie is nothing new.Tom Murphy insisted that any events happening in the City of Pgh be cosigned by Tom. Luke’s not the answer and apparently neither is Bill Peduto. Is DeSantis the “leader” the city is longing for??

  11. Bram R
    September 7, 2007 12:16 pm

    There is a playground in Oakland that has a big glossy sign that says “Welcome to the Playground! Tom Murphy, Mayor.” Nailed to the sign on a piece of wood, painted in the same colors, is a sign underneath that says, “Bob O’Connor, Councilman.” I’ve always wondering if Bob nailed that up himself.

  12. danopsu
    September 7, 2007 1:59 pm

    lets hope so Smitty….so we can move forward (drink!) Anyone know how long its been since Pgh has had a Republican mayor?

  13. Rich
    September 7, 2007 2:35 pm

    Look. Ravenstahl is- for better or worse- the Democratic Party nominee for the race next year. We DO NOT want a Republican as mayor at any point in our future. Whatever mistakes he has made since taking office is second to the fact that he has done some good things for the city.

    Has the thought occured to anyone that perhaps ‘Rich’ happened to be in the same office as the application when it was being reviewed by the Mayor? Missing this deadline would have cost the city the chance to get approval by virtue of the fact that getting 20+ city, county and borough officials to contribute to a single application is- at best- a small miracle.

    The mayor was, just maybe, trying to prevent the application from being denied based on singatory issues, thus giving the city a chance at this grant. We all here know that if in fact the application was denied based on said issue, that Mr. Peduto would have taken that opportunity to point out that the Mayor failed to identify himself as the ‘elected governing official of the community’.

    Bob O’Connor is the leader the city is longing for. DeSantis is the furthest thing from what the city needs- just trust me on this. For having been thrust into his current position little more than 1 year ago, he hasn’t done that bad.

    Just vote for him in two months. If you don’t agree with what I’ve said and if you can’t bring yourself to change your mind and look to the future of the city instead of a number (his age), then fine. Stay home on election day. Or better yet- vote for the man… at least you’ll have plenty to poke fun at for the next few years.

    PS- the headline was changed- along with some minor details… it was never meant to be blown into any kind of proportion… and it was certainly never meant to billed as a ‘Squabble’.


  14. Kelli
    September 7, 2007 3:18 pm

    Rich, pipe down with this “we”-BS. You do not speak for me. I do not trust you.

    And I will be out in full force this fall to vote for a Republican mayor. I happen to think that Luke is the furtherest thing from what this city needs.

    It has nothing to do with Luke’s age. 27 or 97, he is a disgrace.

    This city doesn’t have a few years to poke fun at Luke. We (and I do mean we, because it refers to the whole city) will be bankrupt.


  15. danopsu
    September 7, 2007 3:49 pm

    was that Lukeys brother Rich Ravenstahl?

    Maybe we do need a republican in the office of mayor…just for a new perspective…whats gonna happen? bankruptcy? Pirates come in last place? Pittgirl is hot? Heck…next thing you know Primanti’s will put fries on their sammiches…jumpin Christmas!

  16. TC
    September 7, 2007 6:03 pm

    The 30’s, Danopsu. The 19 fricken 30’s.

  17. Bram R
    September 7, 2007 9:03 pm

    Rich, your comment is clear and somewhat persuasive.

    “DeSantis is the furthest thing from what the city needs- just trust me on this.”

    This is a huge red flag.

    “For having been thrust into his current position little more than 1 year ago, [Luke] hasn’t done that bad.”

    It can be persuasively argued otherwise. His accomplishments have been few and mundane, he has been weak on crime, his good budget numbers are the result of state oversight he opposed, his management style is thuggish and clumsy, his politics are short-sighted, and his Pittsburgh Promise is a joke.

    In an ideal world, Mark DeSantis would win with about 60% of the vote, while Ravenstahl and Rauterkus divide the spoils evenly. But in this world, it’s too easy for the Democrat to say, “Just trust us!”

    Let’s do something unexpected, Pittsburgh.


  18. Rich
    September 7, 2007 10:25 pm

    The damn chance for Pittsburgh voters to do something damn unexpected came and went in the damn primaries. Where were the Peduto supporters then? The Shields supporters? Aht ah there mines. That’s where.

    The city’s leadership structure does not begin nor does it end the office of the mayor.

    Consider this… the Republican Party of Pennsylvania has an agenda which expressly does NOT include a new arena for the Pens and staunchly opposes casino gambling in the city of Pittsburgh (though I currently find great fault in the PITG shit- another debate). The reason this city is getting the funding for a new arena can be summed up thusly: WE are a blue city inside a blue county in a blue state. Pure and simple. The Governor came to Pittsburgh and worked with Onorato and Ravenstahl based on the fact that Ravenstahl is a dem. No. Other. Reason.

    If WE loose the party in the election, the Penguins will no longer be in this city. Remember the sleepless nights, the nailbitting, the wrist-wringing WE all went through when the possibility of the Pens leaving the city was real? Imagine what will happen when a Republican gets the office and promptly shuts down the new arena. And they WILL NOT stop there. DeSantis will KO any and all plans for building casinos. He will begin taxing UPMC facilities.

    None of this is good.

    I say WE because WE are all residents of Pittsburgh. WE want the city to change. WE want to continue to be proud of this ctiy. WE all bleed Black and Gold.

    I agree that the mayor leaves much to be desired. Having said this, he HAS done some good for the city. Granted it has been lackluster compared to his predecessor… admit this: he is better than Murphy. The changes he is carrying out and laying the foundations for have the potential to make this city great and give US new life and a new future. If elected, he’ll be around for two years. In that time he will prove himself.

    Has anyone considered the possibility that Luke just gets bad press? He really is a good guy. He has the right intentions and he does have a plan for this city that will bring a vitality we haven’t seen in a generation. I don’t work for Ravenstahl, I’m not related to him. I do know him.

    I make this plea: give him another chance. Try to see past the political attacks and the jockeying and the resentment from those who have prejudice against his age, and the fact that there is now a computer in the mayor’s office.

    Perhaps ‘just trust me’ was a bit to forward. How about this… ‘trust history’. Read the Republican agenda for the city- then come back on here and tell US why WE would be better off without the Pens and a new arena.

    Again, I’m not saying that Ravenstahl is a saint. Perhaps he is not the ‘best thing for the city’. He is the lesser of two evils. In two years, he can do for this city what few have done in ten. Then maybe we might have a new perspective or a different democrat to choose. Either way, it is better than a republican.


  19. Bram R
    September 8, 2007 1:56 pm

    “Republican Party of Pennsylvania has an agenda which expressly does NOT include a new arena for the Pens and staunchly opposes casino gambling in the city of Pittsburgh”

    Really? Yay! Or, that would have been yay, one year ago.

    For better or worse, these projects are signed, sealed, and delivered. A Klingon mayor of Pittsburgh could not possibly reverse these projects, let alone a Republican.

    Now, are you indicating that Mark DeSantis would be hesitant in the future to spend MILLIONS of our tax dollars for the next construction boondoggle, corporate welfare project, or sports team shakedown? Gosh, that’d be FANTASTIC!

    “He will begin taxing UPMC facilities.”

    Dude, if you keep this up, I’m going to vote for him for Jesus.

  20. Schultz
    September 8, 2007 10:55 pm

    Rich – you are so full of sh!t. You are a lying scumbag – your claims about DeSantis are baseless. You’re getting scared so now you have to turn to smearing the competition.

    You have no grounds for stating that Mark DeSantis will stop the arena construction, stop the casino, and you’re even further off in your claims that DeSantis will tax UPMC.

    DeSantis stated that he wants the non-profits to contribute to “specific” city projects or initiatives, like pension reform or infrastructure improvements. That is much more reasonable than taxing the non-profits, as a lot of Democrats are proposing. Also, where does DeSantis mention anything about the arena or the casino? Please provide some proof to back up your ridiculous claims or please shut the hell up.

  21. Susanne
    September 8, 2007 11:25 pm

    jeesh, Why can’t we just make fun of Ben’s fug ness?

  22. Rich
    September 9, 2007 12:24 am

    ‘lying scumbag’? You don’t even know me.

    Proof. I said to read the Republican Party agenda for Pittsburgh. I’m not your mommy, so I won’t provide it for you- get it yourself. Open your eyes and see what is in front of you.

    I’m not scared and I do not consider DeSantis a real threat in the election. Smearing makes a mess- I’m only relaying facts.

    Constructive discussion is clearly lost in this thread otherwise, the other points that I have made would have been commented on as well.

    The level of maturity in this discussion is clearly too low for me to relate to.

  23. Bram R
    September 9, 2007 2:37 am

    “Constructive discussion is clearly lost in this thread otherwise, the other points that I have made would have been commented on as well.”


    “I said to read the Republican Party agenda for Pittsburgh.”

    Yeah, I’ll get a hold of a copy by riding a unicorn until I find a leprechaun who can take me to Middle Earth and — THERE IS NO SUCH THING.

    “Rich – you are so full of sh!t. You are a lying scumbag”

    You just had to hand him the moral high ground, didn’t you, Schultzy?

  24. Schultz
    September 9, 2007 9:05 am

    Yeah, sorry bram, I was a little tired last night and lost my cool. My bad.

  25. Schultz
    September 9, 2007 9:06 am

    Yeah, sorry bram. Although true I wish I could take that one back. My bad.

  26. Michael
    September 10, 2007 3:58 pm

    I believe the long-term damage that two more years of Ravenstahl outweighs any possible benefit of having a Republican Mayor. At this point, the City needs a Mayor that is not out for himself. Ravenstahl has been out for himself for a while now; I think the voters should give DeSantis a chance. At this point, he can’t be any worse than Ravenstahl. All of this is why endorsed DeSantis

  27. NoSide15212
    September 11, 2007 8:53 am

    “WE all bleed Black and Gold.”

    Perfect. Just what we need to turn this city around: more dull, ordinary, phraseology based on -what else- the color of our fucking football team’s uniform. Despite your compelling argument, neatly summed up in two words (“trust me”) Rich, I think I’ll take the road less traveled come election day and vote for Mr. DeSantis. If for no other reason I’ll vote DeSantis because for years the only color this city HAS bled has been red …ink, that is.

    Do yourself a favor Rich: give your bus pass a rest for a week and take a little trip outside of the City –somewhere beyond your wildest imagination. Somewhere so far away that it’s even beyond the geographical limits of your High School football team’s “Away” schedule. There is an amazing world out there full of new ideas, thriving economies, and precious little 1940’s sentiment.

  28. spoon
    September 11, 2007 9:22 am

    “Just what we need to turn this city around: more dull, ordinary, phraseology based on -what else- the color of our fucking football team’s uniform.”

    and the Pirates and the Pens… wait, Pens are Las Vegas Gold. Just the Pirates. Do people bleed for the Pirates anymore? Oh and according to the city’s flag it’s black and gold also.

  29. Lost faith in bill
    September 14, 2007 4:05 pm


    Just like Forest Gump Mr. Peduto runs…. From fire. But wait! Today Mr. Peduto showed up at the Police and Fire Academy to try and show that he can indeed keep up with Mayor Luke. Mayor Luke, showed off his ability to stick with a job even if it gets a little hot at times by… fighting a fire. Mr. Peduto was at Mayor Lukes side… for about 30 seconds… Apparently Mr. Peduto cant take the heat. He ran out of the fire… just like he ran out of the Mayors race

  30. Mark Rauterkus
    September 16, 2007 10:38 pm

    It was posted above:

    In an ideal world, Mark DeSantis would win with about 60% of the vote, while Ravenstahl and Rauterkus divide the spoils evenly. But in this world, it’s too easy for the Democrat to say, “Just trust us!”

    Let’s do something unexpected, Pittsburgh.

    Let’s be clear…

    I AM running for City Controller and City Council (district 3) and NOT for MAYOR.

    The mayor’s race has four folks on the ballot. Ravenstahl, D; Mark DeSantis, R; Tony Oliva, L; and some socialist guy.

    So, I can’t divide the spoils in the Mayor’s race. It would be GREAT however, if I got as many votes as Ravenstahl. That means Ravenstahl’s vote count is in the toilet.

    I fully agree that we, as a city, need to do some unexpected things in this fall’s election. “Mark my words” works as a key phrase for me — as votes could go to Mark DeSantis, Mayor; Mark Rauterkus, controller, and if you live in district 3, Mark Rauterkus, city council.

    I’d also love to see votes go for the three Davids too — Dave A for district 9, Dave S for district 1, and Dave T for county council at-large.

    That’s six strong votes/races for non-Dems and only one is with political party, “R.”

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