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Best part, their contracts were extended in secret last October.
[Golf clap], Coonelly. [Golf clap], you giant doofus.
June 18, 2010 12:08 pm
“It doesn’t change anything,” Russell said. “Neal and I have said from day one and we’ll continue to say it whether we have a one-year extension or a ten-year extension, we’re not going to change the way we do things.”
Read more: http://post-gazette.com/pg/10169/1066505-63.stm#ixzz0rDn6OdBi
So what are they basically saying? They’re going to suck no matter how many extensions they get in their contracts?
June 18, 2010 12:17 pm
These bozos are a case study in how to do it wrong. They are either doing the same things and expecting the results to change, or they have no desire to have a winning team in Pittsburgh. Fans are certainly screwed either way.
I have never seen a manager as emotion-free as Russell. And Huntington went to Amherst so he requires no further comment.
June 18, 2010 12:24 pm
Good thing I went with team BurghBaby in Make Room for Crazy. :-) As long as they are making money on a losing team why would ownership care if they won?
People still go knowing they will probably lose because we got a nice ballpark and the food just tastes better while eating there.
June 18, 2010 12:43 pm
Are you ready to put the torch to that sad looking bandwagon?
I find it so very sad that the Pirates no longer fill a spot in my sports loving heart. I can only hope that someday major league baseball will return to Pittsburgh.
June 18, 2010 1:27 pm
Here’s the question that really needs to be asked. Do you run the business as a business with your goal to make a profit or do you run the business as a sports team to win (championships, more wins than losses, a good but not great year? it doesn’t matter how you define winning. Or, do you aim for some combination of the two. It is an interesting dichotomy when you’re talking about the Pirates since 1992 because it seems that (a) no one in charge knows how to be successful in business and in baseball, (b) no one in charge seems to care about what the fans are screaming for or about and (c) that the almighty dollar trumps championships. Strike that – competitiveness.
According to Forbes Magazine, thanks to baseball’s revenue sharing model, the Pirates make “a fat profit” each year. Let’s think about that for a minute. “A fat profit”. The on-field product has been abysmal for the past 17 years and the team is still making a ‘fat profit’. Where’s the motivation to improve the on-field product when you’re turning a fat profit? It’s obvious to me that TPTB are businessmen first, baseball men second. They’re happy turning their fat profit while turning the ‘team’ into a joke.
Personally, I don’t understand why if you know that you’re going to turn a healthy profit at the end of a year because of the Yankees, Red Sox and revenue sharing, why wouldn’t you invest in the on-field product and make MORE money? Anything that it invested back into the team won’t seriously impact your revenue shared because its based on things completely outside of your control.
They should have let Mario buy the team.
June 18, 2010 1:39 pm
for my next job, I wanna be one of the following:
– PAT bus driver
– IUP president
– GM of the succos
June 18, 2010 2:11 pm
But they also need good baseball people which they evidently don’t have or Pedro would have been called up sooner, they would be a better fundamental baseball team, their lineup would be different, and they would never have signed the bum infielder that hobbles around in a knee brace. Look at the White Sox and the Orioles. Close to $100 million spent each. So it is not just about spending money. But spending it correctly which obviously this team has proven to be totally incompetent in doing. Guaranteed they don’t sign both of their top prospects and it is because of a tiny amount of money (relatively speaking) that they aren’t willing to shell out for top talent. PLEASE!!! MLB please step in and save this historic baseball franchise!!
June 18, 2010 2:28 pm
The problem is that you feel the Bucs are interesting in winning..They could care less. They are interested in making money and they do it very well..They are comfortable with the profits coming in and as long as they can pay 2nd rate players to fill the roster cheaply that is all they care. Sure sometimes when the suck is extremely bad they have to pretend to give a shit..and until the fans start to boycott the games my refusing to attend, and start protesting in front of PNC park, nothing will change..
June 18, 2010 2:53 pm
Here’s the question that really needs to be asked. Do you run the business as a business with your goal to make a profit or do you run the business as a sports team to win (championships, more wins than losses, a good but not great year?
There is no question the are only focused on the bottom line. Without looking, How much do you want to bet that Russell is one of the lowest paid managers in baseball? Why not sign him for another year and keep your costs down? He obviously has done a terrible job managing the team. They are 20 games under 500 and we haven’t even reached the all star break! I haven’t bought a ticket in 4 years and I will not until they start making moves to put together a winning baseball team….. I’m not holding my breath.
June 18, 2010 3:07 pm
OK, I have to ask this:
Ya ever seen the movie “Major League” in which the evil team owner is doing her damndest to get the team to lose so much that she can movie it from Cleveland to Miami (where the weather is nicer)?
Every time I hear about the Nuttings pulling some stupid crap with the Pirates this is exactly where my mind goes. I don’t think they really want the team here. I think they’d rather it get moved. Or something. I don’t know. Maybe they just have a severe case of cranial rectal inversion.
Dan (Not Onarato)
June 18, 2010 3:19 pm
“I knew we should have gotten the live chicken”
June 18, 2010 3:56 pm
Every year I say to my husband that I’m fed up – and every year we buy season tickets. Why? Because we love the game of baseball. We love taking our son and spending time together at a great park.
But, it’s time for the Pirates’ management to take the knife out of our collective backs. We’ve been loyal fans – like the pre- 1970’s Steelers fans and the old Pens’ fans.
Frank Coonelly has not a shred of credibility left. Every time you think there’s no way can things can get worse for the Pirates, they do.
But, being the big weinie that I am, I can’t give up on Andrew McCutcheon, I can’t give up on Tabata or Sanchez or Neil Walker…
June 18, 2010 4:11 pm
Wait, McLouth will save us! No, no I mean McCutcheon! Or is it Jones, or maybe Lincoln. No, it’s got to be Tabata! Yes, that’s it! No wait, Alvarez, yes definitely Alvarez. Maybe the 2010 draft…..
“Meet the new Bucs, same as the old Bucs. We won’t get fooled again!”
June 18, 2010 4:18 pm
Think about it this way, in 1955 they were 5 years away from the World Series.
COME ON 2015!
June 18, 2010 4:39 pm
I would never abandon bucco ship. I really don’t care how they run the “business” so long as we have a team in our beautiful ballpark. Reverse it and consider the losses=wins and enjoy the conversations that are about all this “winning”. When the kids are older (if they even know who bucs are at this point) it will still be great conversation. Like : “Gee I remember back in the day – bucs were just plain awful. You young whippersnappers today …yada yada yada yinzers.
June 18, 2010 5:44 pm
is it Hunington? or with the T that the spelling is correct?
June 18, 2010 8:17 pm
Actually, it’s “They couldn’t care less.”, not “They could care less.”.
Sorry about the nitpick.
Now, back to our (unfortunately) regular scheduled program “Pirates Baseball. Profiles in Suckitude.”
NW PA Joe
June 18, 2010 9:35 pm
Going back to Jaime’s comment. Profit, wins or both? That is not really the question. Ultimately, unless you have a chance to accomplish something (eg, win the division), winning is very much a secondary objective. Anything less than approximately 85 wins would render the actual number of wins virtually meaningless. The Pirates might be an exception to some degree since their last winning season was in ’92. But, in general, anything between 60 and 75 wins would not greatly alter attendance or viewership (which drive revenue).
In addition, you can pretty much throw out 25 ‘players’ and they will win 60 games (pretty much what they were doing this year until they called up the prospects).
Given that their revenue won’t change significantly if they win somewhere between 60 and 75 games, that pretty much any 25 ‘players’ will win you 60 and trying to win 75 will cost X millions more, it is easy to see why you shouldn’t expect more than 60-65 wins.
If the prospects pan out and they have a legitimate chance to contend, attendance and viewership will rise, revenue will rise and they will supposedly (?) make moves (i.e., spend more money) that will help them attain the goal (win a division). This will increase revenue further, which they can use to help them win even more, if necessary.
Or they will trade all of their prospects and we’ll do this all over again 5 years from now.
June 18, 2010 11:06 pm
The Pirates get $40 million dollars at the beginning of the year because of the luxury tax – basically they get $40 million dollars of the Yankees money.
After cutting Iwamura their payroll is $30 million dollars.
Why would Nutting even bother trying to win?
June 19, 2010 12:06 am
Bottom line is that Bob Nutting has no incentive to win. Suck-ass team (minimal payroll) + fireworks (at Giant Eagle’s expense) and bobbleheads (at Highmark’s expense) = ‘fat profit’ every year.
The Cubs’ payroll is about $100M and they haven’t won anything in forever, so bigger payroll does not necessarily mean a championship team. So what incentive is there to spend more money?(although to be fair, the bar here is so low that we’d be thrilled with .500 ball).
We taxpayers built them a beautiful park, and now people show up just because it’s something to do. Until people STOP BUYING TICKETS, nothing will change. I understand the love of baseball and wanting to support the team, but the owners don’t give a damn about us.
If you love baseball, go see the Wild Things or Butler Blue Sox or your local legion team. Everyone on those teams is busting their ass to win, it’s cheaper, and really a more ‘pure’ form of the game.
If you pay for a ticket or a beer or a scorecard at PNC Park, thanks for the new high speed chair lift I’ll enjoy at 7 Springs this winter!
June 19, 2010 12:07 am
That is the problem. We, the taxpayers, have built the best venue in baseball with the promise that the luxury boxes would allow the owners to field a competitive team. Nutting has not lived up to his end of the bargain. He simply takes the revenue sharing money and fields a minor league team and then hires professional salesmen to sell Pirates fans on the future. Year after year he refuses to invest any of his revenue back into the payroll. As long as he continues this criminal behavior the Pirates will continue to be the worst franchise in professional sports.
June 19, 2010 7:58 am
Yeah, and how’s that Alverez guy doin’? Does he still walk on water ? Hit 700 Foot home runs ? Faster than a speeding bullet ?
When does he get traded ?
June 19, 2010 9:08 am
Looks like the Pirates are finally getting serious about cleaning house…
June 19, 2010 12:25 pm
@Mac S. – Read that this morning and for a millisecond couldn’t believe it, then realized “But of course!”
Frustrated fans pleading for something — anything — to be done to stop the Pirates’ losing ways are likely to find little to cheer about in the baseball team’s latest move.
They fired a pierogi.
Bloody hell. And now Andrew Kurtz has learned the value of being a whistleblower.
Meanwhile, the Suckos of Suckitude break another record in losing streaks, “now tied for fourth-longest in the franchise’s 124-year history, counting only streaks within the same season. The longest was the 23-game run of the 1890 Pittsburg Alleghenies, and there were two others as long as 13, one by that same 1890 team and the other in 2006.”
Meanwhile, back in West Virginia, Nutting is “shocked” and “frustrated.”
Shocked, SHOCKED I say.
Maybe instead of protesting Nutting and management we should be sending moldy pierogis to Bud “We have a winner here” Selig.
June 19, 2010 1:09 pm
I’m sick. I used to LOVE baseball, especially Pirate baseball. I’m old enough to remember listening to The Gunner in the mid-60’s.. Clemente, Clendenon, Max, Alley, et al… on a transistor radio in Morgantown. My biggest thrill was moving to Pittsburgh after College in late August 1979 and going to a bunch of games during that Championship season.
Maybe we could all agree to go to a game.. with paper bags over our heads. Yes, I’m serious.
June 19, 2010 4:41 pm
Leave it to the Suckos to stoop to an even lower level and fire a poor Pierogi runner for simply expressing the same level of frustration as the rest of us…
Does Pirate management have nothing better to do than review Facebook posts of their employees? Guess that explains the lack of baseball talent on the field; they’re too busy surfing the web instead of directing efforts towards improving the product on the field. Unless you count firing a Pierogi runner as improving the product on the field!
I agree w/KGC. We need to show up en masse with bags over our heads AND NOT buy tickets. Just wander around outside and convince people to spend their money elsewhere. Let’s face it people, if your Internet service only worked (won) less than half the time, would you continue to pay for it??
As my father always told me, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome. Thus, Pirates=Insanity… Fans continuing to buy tickets and merchandise, year after year, that’s just funding the insanity, so STOP it!
As a previous poster cited, go to a minor league game and pay minor league prices, instead of paying MLB prices to see the Suckos!
June 19, 2010 6:51 pm
The pierogi got off easy. The Pirates USED to know how to deal with racing foodstuffs, but Nutting is too cheap to hire hitman Randall Simon.
June 19, 2010 11:41 pm
….this has been going on for YEARS. Like I said when you first brought up your crap, Jory Rand with tits.
June 20, 2010 11:44 am
Wow – what a game last night. That was exciting and gives us an idea of what is to follow. Keep the wagon rolling. Happy Fathers Day, Daddio!
June 20, 2010 4:18 pm
Did hell just freeze over? I just watched John Russell get mad and get thrown out of the game. Could a smile and a high-five be next? Is there real emotion beneath that stoic exterior? One can only hope.
June 21, 2010 12:29 am
June 19th, 2010 at 11:41 pm
That might be the mmost uncalled-for, insulting post I’ve ever seen on this site.
Reporting this comment.
June 21, 2010 8:55 am
Two Wins this weekend !! we are on our way ;-)
June 21, 2010 12:21 pm
I agree with KGC: Maybe we could all agree to go to a game.. with paper bags over our heads.
We need to get national exposure to shame the Nuttings into selling the team. A few shots of the bags on ESPN is a start.
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